Wino Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 I have no idea where this came from or how true any of this is. I received this in an email from one of my more conservative friends. What do you think? VERY QUIETLY OBAMA'S CITIZENSHIP CASE REACHES THE SUPREME COURT AP- WASHINGTON D.C. - In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama's qualifications for the presidency, the group "Americans for Freedom of Information" has Released copies of President Obama's college transcripts from Occidental College . Released today, the transcript school indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate at the transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California. The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program. To qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship. This document would seem to provide the smoking gun that many of Obama's detractors have been seeking. Along with the evidence that he was first born in Kenya and there is no record of him ever applying for US citizenship, this is looking pretty grim. The news has created a firestorm at the White House as the release casts increasing doubt about Obama's legitimacy and qualification to serve as President. When reached for comment in London , where he has been in meetings with British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, Obama smiled but refused comment on the issue. Britain's Daily Mail has also carried the story in a front-page article titled, "Obama Eligibility Questioned," leading some to speculate that the story may overshadow economic issues on Obama's first official visit to the U.K. In a related matter, under growing pressure from several groups, Justice Antonin Scalia announced that the Supreme Court agreed on Tuesday to hear arguments concerning Obama's legal eligibility to serve as President in a case brought by Leo Donofrio of New Jersey . This lawsuit claims Obama's dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president. Donofrio's case is just one of 18 suits brought by citizens demanding proof of Obama's citizenship or qualification to serve as president. Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation has released the results of their investigation of Obama's campaign spending. This study estimates that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the past year with eleven law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his personal records. Mr. Kreep indicated that the investigation is still ongoing but that the final report will be provided to the U.S. attorney general, Eric Holder. Mr. Holder has refused to comment on the matter. LET OTHER FOLKS KNOW THIS NEWS, THE MEDIA WON'T ! Issue of Passport? While I've little interest in getting in the middle of the Obama birth issue, Paul Hollrah over at FSM did so yesterday and believes the issue can be resolved by Obama answering one simple question: What passport did he use when he was shuttling between New York, Jakarta , and Karachi ? So how did a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981, without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later? And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York , Jakarta , and Karachi, what passport was he offering when he passed through Customs and Immigration? The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, they must have answers. It makes the debate over Obama's citizenship a rather short and simple one. Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20? A : Yes, by his own admission. Q: What passport did he travel under? A: There are only three possibilities. 1) He traveled with a U.S. Passport, 2) He traveled with a British passport, or 3) He traveled with an Indonesia passport. Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981? A: No.. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's "no travel" list in 1981. Conclusion: When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport. If he were traveling with a British passport that would provide proof that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims. And if he were traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to prove that he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967. Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he managed to become a "natural born" American citizen between 1981 and 2008.. Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as illustrated by his speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he has presented to Congress, the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 He was born in the United States (his birth certificate was published many times last year) and he's a US citizen. The rest of the comments are pure bullshit in my opinion. To be president, he needed to be a US citizen (he is) and 35 years of age (he is). End of story (one does not lose US citizenship by having dual citizenship in another country, you lose your US citizenship only by renouncing it). I suppose now the crackpots (and some of the shooters from the grassy knoll in Dallas) will now assert that an alien told them that Obama renounced his US citizenship aboard a spaceship where he was being probed..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wino Posted December 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 A very good in dept review of the facts are discussed at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories Looks like some conservatives will not give up on this issue. I know my lady friend that sent me this email is a die hard believer. She knows for sure Obama is not a natural-born citizen and nobody can tell her differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 I've actually run into people that actually believe the moon landing was a total fake job and that the US government was in on the 9/11/01 airplane attacks. Unfortunately, as the very old saying goes: When god passed out brains, some people thought he said "trains" and they missed theirs..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wino Posted December 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 I don't think it is a matter of brains, more like a natural distrust of the government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 I don't think it is a matter of brains, more like a natural distrust of the government. Heck, it's a smart thing to distrust the government. Generally, the government has duly earned it. But even distrusting people need to occasionally have a little horsepower in the cerebellum and occasionally turn on the engine. Those that truly believe the moon landing was a fake, that the Warren commission was a set-up job, that the US was behind the 9/11/01 attacks, or that Obama is not a US citizen are not only distrustful but ignorant too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wino Posted December 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 I would not classify people with odd views as ignorant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 I would not classify people with odd views as ignorant. Well, I'll grant you that not all the people that actually believe the things I mentioned are ignorant or stupid. The ones that aren't in that category would fall in the "mentally ill" category. Yes, there are still some people in the world today who think thunder is a god. I don't question the sincerity of their beliefs - but they're still ignorant (i.e., dumber than a rock). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beer Chang Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 US government was in on the 9/11/01 airplane attacks. I know guys like that too. After the fact, there are things the government covers up but it's absurd to think our government planned the attacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wino Posted December 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 I welcome different opinions and views. Some of the fringe elements that say 9/11 was US backed or the moon landing was staged, are extreme. That said, I welcome their opinion and do not look down on their attempt to back up their views. Although I may disagree with their views, I would not stoop to name calling. I sat next to a very well spoken, ex-military man that claimed TWA flight 800 was shot down by a missile. I don’t believe it, but I wouldn’t call him ignorant or mentally ill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Come on, Wino, I doubt if anybody here doesn't welcome differing opinions and views. But holding a view or opinion that's based on personal bias only and with no factual basis to back it up is a totally different story and my welcome mat doesn't extend to crackpot theories. So the guy claims flight TWA 800 was shot down by a missle? I hope the heck you asked him what he based that view on (it certainly wasn't based on the extensive reports and and reviews by either the FBI or the NTSB). Because initially it was thought that the plane might have been brought down by either a missle or onboard bomb, the FBI was initially involved too - but they turned over the entire investigation to the NTSB later on when they concluded that no criminal act (and no missle or bomb) was involved. The NTSB investigation also considered the possibility that a bomb or missile caused the mishap, but found no evidence to support such a theory (you see, they recovered most of the entire aircraft and there was none of the readily apparent damage caused by a high-explosive detonation in an aircraft found on any of the structure or contents). No (as in "zero") verified factual findings supported either the missle or bomb theory. The NTSB consists of a group of really smart guys who know what they're talking about - and the FBI isn't exactly a slouch outfit either. I'll take their findings any old day over somebody that would claim (based on a "feeling", I guess) that a missle brought the plane down. I admire the guy for his military service but I don't admire him for his thinking ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wino Posted December 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 Bob, I bet you are a nice guy in person, but seems to me, you pooh-pooh many things. To me, you are coming across as a little bit negative. I know some people think things like superstition, UFO‘s, ghosts are on the edge, but organized religion and anything in the National Enquirer, now come on! For me I like to keep an open mind and not deem anyone thinking outside the box as idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 I know some people think things like superstition, UFO‘s, ghosts are on the edge.... Yes, Wino (and yea, you seem like a nice guy and nowhere as negative/cynical as I am), some people think things like that are "on the edge"; however, more than some people think that stuff is downright idiotic. I get the impression that, to play it safe, you'd go to confession the same night you see a guy on a street corner holding a "The World Is Ending Tomorrow" sign.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wino Posted December 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 Maybe at one time in my life, I would have rushed to the confessional. Nowadays, if the world is ending tomorrow, I would do llike the Prince song and "party like it was 1999." Like the Thais, any excuse to party, is a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 Nowadays, if the world is ending tomorrow, I would do llike the Prince song and "party like it was 1999." Like the Thais, any excuse to party, is a good thing. Now....I like that attitude! I only once remember running into one of the wackos holding one of the infamous "Repent - The World Is Ending Tomorrow" signs. When passing by him (perhaps he saw the "you-gotta-be-a-moron-look" on my face)one Wednesday evening, he blurted out: "Hey, you know the world is ending tomorrow!?!" I returned the "moron" look, said "Good! My fucking mortgage payment is due Friday!", and kept walking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wino Posted December 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 Must be something about human nature to believe in an apocalyptic destruction. Seems like the “end is near†folks have been around for millennia. Here is an interesting article from the Smithsonian about 10 apocalyptic predictions that obviously never happened. http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/69901492.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beer Chang Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 In 1213, Innocent III wrote: “A son of perdition has arisen, the false prophet Muhammed, who has seduced many men from the truth by worldly enticements and the pleasures of the flesh… we nevertheless put our trust in the Lord who has already given us a sign that good is to come, that the end of this beast is approaching, whose number, according to the Revelation of Saint John, will end in 666 years, of which already nearly 600 have passed.†Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wino Posted December 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 Nuts come in so many shapes and sizes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beer Chang Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 Ironic a Pope named Innocent was responsible for the slaughter of so many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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